Do you think Greece is a nice country?Do you like Greek people?

Question

Do you think Greece is a nice country?Do you like Greek people?

Answer 1

I didn't think your question was worth answering at first, because it looks like a provocation and I'm not sure you're Greek at all. But since most of the fyromians have me blocked because they know my view on the matter of fyrom, I'll take the chance to say my opinion. How else can they hear other people's views if they block everyone who disagrees with them? I know it's difficult to handle the truth, but it's your only chance to become enlightened.



Greece is a wonderful country and I like Greek people. There is no perfect place or country, but Greece is quite close to it. Other than my own country which I love above all others, I have a special place for Greece in my heart. The people are warm and friendly and culturally I feel them close to our own way of life. It's the cradle of European civilization, with enough wonders for another billion years of human history. Greek heritage has no boundaries and is always interesting for research. They're our proven friends and allies and we share a lot of common history. There's a large Greek community in Belgrade and vice versa.



As for the boring, long answers from fyromian PRs here, don't you people know that nobody's reading them? We all know these are false arguments from non-existent "institutes". Give it up already; you cannot falsify and rewrite world history, especially not that of the Ancient Greece. Macedonia is Greek:)

Answer 2

Greece has the potential of beeing an amazing country, yet has failed to do so, because of the so called "modern greek mentality".



However, i am amazed to the BS propaganda that goes on, on those boards from our skopjian neighbours!



Im not going to argue whether macedonia is greek or not, since everyone knows the truth besides our brainwashed neighbours...



What im going to ask is this:

How can you think you are macedonians, if you dont speak greek?

Has any of you ever visited Philip's tomb?

Has any of you ever studied History (other than a Skopjian book?)

Has any of you ever sat for a second, and thank OBJECTIVELY, what are the reasons that the Greeks are acting so hostile?



Personally i pitty people who are brainwashed, and Skopjians seem to be the best example of a nation swept clean of their national identity in order to be given a new one.

Your puppet goverment will not hold more than half a decade, and the "Macedonia" you live in will colapse, as it has so many times in the past. You are an insult to OUR ancient ancestors, and if it were not for the investments of Greek companies in FYROM, you would not exist today.



So, for any Skopjian, who really cares what is going to happen to his/her country, you sit down, and think if you want bad relationships with your biggest investor and main neighboor. Because my grandma used to say "dont take a bite at the hand that feeds you"

Answer 3

Greece is a beautiful country and its people are great. Just don't get into politic and soccer discussions....two things a person should not getting into when abroad nor matter what the vacation destination LOL!!



For shame, the propaganda by certain individuals. I'd like to know if what Teona claim's is true and a huge hidden 'ethnic Macedonian" minority is in Northern Greece why did the pro-ethnic 'Macedonian' Rainbow Party received less than half its votes from the Periphery of Macedonia and it polled better in such distant regions such as the Peripheries of Crete and the Peloponnese, areas that don't have Slavonic-speakers, then it did in many Macedonian prefectures. Obvious reason of course there isn't this 'large' minority group, it does exist but their numbers are small and not as inflated as Greece's neighbors from the North dubiously have been claiming.



anastaci, Greeks have always existed in the region long before FYROM people arrived. History shows a continuous presence of Greeks in the region from ancient, medeival and modern times. Unlike Greece’s neighbors to the North, those Greeks who live Macedonia nowadays trace their ethnic and cultural heritage to ancient, medieval and modern Hellenic & Byzantine identity within the region. Shark’s quotes reveal what was stated by unbiased neutral people outside the region with no nationalistic ties to the Balkans, their claims are backed up by native people from the region from ancients to medieval people such as John Chrysostom Archbishop of Constantinople (c.347– c.407); Eusthathios Archbishop of Thessaloniki (c.1185); Theophylactus of Ohrid (c.11th-c.12th); Royal son-in-law, Bruiennius(11th-12th c.); Byzantine historian Scylitzes(11th-12th c.) and also modern scholars:



The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C.: From the earliest times to the death of Demosthenes" by W. J. Woodhouse (University of Sydney, Australia) University Tutorial Press, 1904 Page - 216: "This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrants of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians"



Evidence from ancient, medeival & modern times reveal plenty of that Greeks had a presents in Macedonia, along with Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians, Vlachs, Romani, Jews, Aromani, Turks, later on the people who shaped the landscape of that region in later centuries - but they make no mention of any supposed 'ethnic Macedonians' until the early 20th centuries. Yet we are suppose to believe Greeks who are mentioned living in Macedonia since ancient times by a vast spectrum of people through out the centuries, by both natives to the region and foreigners alike, are supposed to be the "new arrivals" but this "ethnic Macedonian" group who no one hears about until the 20th century are the 'original people' from the region? This really defies all logic.



The article below is from the New York Times dated April 25, 1886: the article mentions Bulgarians, Greeks, Slavs, Turks, etc. in the region but nothing about a separate 'ethnic Macedonian' group; the last quote by Slav committees of Moscow and St. Petersburg is very telling regarding this matter:



‘Now what that budget is we are not informed, but the Greeks, who spend annually 1,300,000f on their Macedonian schools pretend that it is already largely in excess of the their outlay especially as it is fed by the financial help sent by wealthy Slav committees of Moscow and St. Petersburg. "If we can only isolate the Greeks of Macedonia from those of Thessaly," continues the pamphlet, "if we can keep the Greek propaganda out of Western and Southern districts we are sure of success. If they be ours, no one can dispute our entire supremacy in Macedonia."'



So if Greeks did not exist in Macedonia prior to the population exchange with Anatolia why did the Slav committees of Moscow and St. Petersburg, familiar with the region's demographics, claim they can have entire supremacy in Macedonia if they can "isolate the Greeks of Macedonia from those of Thessaly" - in other words Slavophone the Greeks in Macedonia. Now why would they need to do that if as some clams Greeks did not exist in the region until after the Anatolian population exchange that took place decades later,hmm? Not that it means anything since the Greeks from Anatolia were not any less Greek then the Greeks from Macedonia.



And why is it when the article is stating what the Macedonian issue meant for the Greeks and Bulgarians claims that for the Greeks, the Macedonian issue meant essential and indispensable condition to their unity, and in other hands other then theirs, their 'race' is broken into fragments which can never be united. The article was written in 1886, the population exchange between Anatolian and Greece did not take place until the 1900s and it clearly shows Greeks existed in Macedonia long before the population exchange that took place in the 1900s or else there wouldn't be any metion of their 'race' not being united. ;-)



“For the Bulgarians her possession means an outlet to her trade toward the Mediterranean, a way, of escape from their confinement within the closed basin of the Euxine; for the Greeks, that possession is the one essential and indispensable condition to their unity, and in other hands than theirs, their race is broken into two fragments which can never be united, so that Hellenism, mutilated and imprisoned at the extremity of the peninsula, must renounce all hope of ever that development of population by aloes can be attained those high destinies which are aspired to by the native Greek people.”

Answer 4

Greece is a beautiful country - although abused by the Greeks themselves! (litter/pollution/ fires etc etc)

Greece is better to visit than to live for most foreigners as it can be vERY hard work trying to fit in (in my opinion ... 20 yrs here originally from UK)



There are good and bad Greeks - just like every other nationality in the world. I personally prefer the male characters - than women ... I suppose it's upbringing. British girls have a VERY different upbringing to Greek girls. But that's just my opinion based on 20 yrs in Greece!

Answer 5

Hmm, interesting and innocent question.........

Well since I am Greek, cannot answer as to whether Greeks are nice since I'd be a little biased.

I'd like to comment on some other answers though, particularly the one given by flavious and mc, both known anti Greeks, both from Skopje and therefore well known thieves of Greek history and Greek haters:

You are no country that will ever be recognized by Greeks using our name, you are thieves of history and now is clear you try to steal our land along with the name. You are the worst kind of people and the worst neighbors we could have.

You are trying to stick to anything with your pseudo "macedonian institute" which is nothing more than your propagandistic site created recently to confuse the ignorant.

Well, you cant confuse us for who you are and will never ever be part of our history and our culture. If you didn't have the support of your "unknown" friendly countries, the ones we know very well, you'd be nothing, not even a dot in the map of civilization.

We know Macedonia was a part of Greece since thousands of years ago. You ended up occupying a small part of it now.

Either live there peacefully finding a neutral name to hide that you stole it from us or we make sure we get it back from you so you find another country to claim.

Just like the gypsies

As for the "Macedonian language" that flavius uses as a proof of your heritage, is nothing more than a Bulgarian dialect, ask any Bulgarian, they'll tell you they understand it.

How much louder can we tell you: You are all LIARS AND THIEVES!!



Edit: Stop cutting and pasting your bogus "information source" from your imaginary academy, or as you all call it (I cut and paste here) COUNCIL FOR RESEARCH INTO SOUTH-EASTERN EUROPE OF THE MACEDONIAN ACADEMY OF SCIENCES AND ARTS

This is your creation for the internet, nobody buys your lies here

You are all so fake, along with your "insitute"and you know it



Edit 2: Antigon,are you now claiming that Vergina was a skopian city with 2 skopian names?????Where did you read this now?Did you put it in your bogus "academy's" info?

Boy, you really know how to make a fool of yourselves, such a bounch of shameless thieves!

Answer 6

I think Greece and its people are very nice and hospitable.

NOTE: I cannot stand the lies from our neighbours Slavs living in Skopje. Their "referenced" articles created by their nationalistic individuals in Skopje are a disgrace to reality. These people have no relation with the ancient Macedonians who were GREEK as all historical and archaeological findings show! I cannot understand why these people are so ashame of their Slavic heritage, language and customs.

Answer 7

It is nice for sight seeing, beaching an so. We go there knowing it is ours.



To Sharkey: No doubt who had made those inquests. Besides that, the question you don't want to answer is:



Even according to your statistics there was no Macedonian nation in Macedonia (contradictio in adiecto), CAN THOSE GREEKS SHOW ANY EVIDENCE TO PROOF REAL ESTATE PROPERTY ?

Doesn't matter how that peoples have been named by foreign writers, THOSE PEOPLES today live in Republic of Macedonia as refugees from the Greek civil war and THEY HAVE in hand that TAPIYAS. All the soil in Aegean Macedonia belongs to them. And, the property never goes old.

That is the Greek fear from the name Macedonia/Macedonians/Macedonian

Answer 8

first of all about the one who says about how greeks face fyromians on net..

i can show you also how fyromians face greeks on the net.....

how offensive are,insulting calling greeks are gayreeks and the country as hell ***.

also to mention that they post into city of skopjie the greek flag ,but instead of the cross,they have a swastiga!!!

and there is in a public road,without their goverment do nothing!!!ll to remind you,skopjians was those who suported hitler and germany.



reacting to someone that is trying to steal someones history is not consider as fascism,is consider as a defense.......

dont you thing that claiming and yelling that you are makedonian,knowing that fyrom is not related to ancient makedonia,and trying to cut off this name of the greeks make you fascists??

so why dont you yell how greeks act??? cant you see your own acts/??

do you really want me to post link how fyromians talk to greeks???



btw way because this is the question,yes greece is a beautiful country,history,land,sightseeings,islands,culture...

about greek people,

greeks are hospitable,passionate,kinda lazy,they speak too loud,but they are willing people,and they have fun.........

edit****

we dont talk about internet pictures,i can also show you thousands of pictures by fyrom against greece,just check fyromians groups on internet,thats internet!

we talk about a incident happent in the public roads,and your goverment does nothing to get them off,means you want them.have you ever seen any of these in a grekk newspaper or in a road.



the answer is no.greece,as a nation and country respect the others,compare to other countries,

you want to enter nato?????you consider art,insulting some others flag???

internet is inernet and both sides do alot .....



what did fyromians??????anti facist side???

read again,some books!!!!!

as you might know,greece was one of the most resistant countries against the nazis,and has a lot of jewish population that was protected more than any other countries....

*****forth one who asked...how did i insult another nation?????

cant you see some others here that insult greeks????or you are talking about insult only from one side?if you want to be fair,tell you friends,to not be insulting

and also a fyrom's so called research center,you thing is a trustfull source??????

Answer 9

Greece is absolutely georgeous, I LOVE the architecture, the food is great and the people are wonderful. One of my favorite places in the whole wide wordl!!

Answer 10

Greece is beautiful.



Like with many places in Europe, beware the Gypsies if you're going.



Don't let your guard drop if people on the streets are nice to you.



But as for the people themselves I have found that yes indeed, they are very, very kind so long as you are kind with them, too.

Answer 11

I have never visited Greece, in past I had good opinion about Greece and Greek people, since I met on net the greeks. They are very abusive toward us Macedonian and use very nasty words for us: slavs prostitutes, you should be clean from map, how can be some one be to abusive with people which he or she have never met?!Can you like country who say all those nasty words for you?!

vasiliki, no one Macedonian come to greeks and say insult words, that is only replay, what should do Macedonians, if some one attack, you will noting say?!Macedonians were in 1941 1944 on Anti fascist side, we fighting against fascist, promise was finally free use of Macedonian language and basic human rights for the Macedonians,since where disappear Jewish population in Greece?!

As for art picture with the greek flag what has Macedonia Government with that? Internet is full with "prepared", vulgar pictures on Macedonian flags from greeks and no one have attacked for that Greek Government.

Answer 12

I KNOW IS GREECE A NICE COUNTRY, I LIVE HERE. AS A MACEDONIAN, I HAVE TO ACT GREEK TO CAMOUFLAGE MYSELF AND TO AVOID SOCIAL EXCOMMUNICATION.

WE REMAIN PROUD MACEDONIANS. OUR NEIGHBORS GREEKS ARE NEWCOMERS, ON OUR LAND THEY ARE COLONIZED. WE CALL THEM MADZHIRI OR PROSFIGI AND THEY KNOW THAT. WE ARE ENDOPIAS.



TO SERVIAN GIRL: THERE ARE ONLY TWO THOUSAND YEARS BETWEEN ANCIENT MACEDONIANS, ANCIENT GREEKS AND MY GRANDFATHERS, ETHNICALLY CLEANSED FROM HERE UP TO NORTH IN 1949.

TWO THOUSAND YEARS WITHOUT ANY TRACE OF GREEKS HERE, UNTILL 1923.

Answer 13

Yes Greece is a nice country and so are the people.



What a bunch of BS posted from dubious FYROMIAN sites by Laoplano, flavius and Antigon. In the 1800s and 1900s not one foreign record, treaty, map or census: be it Ottoman, English, French, German or anyother ever mentioned a seperate “Macedonian ethnicity” or “Macedonian language”. This is what unbiased sources not found on nationalistic sites, state about this matter.



The British Consul in Monastir, for example, Charles Calvert, wrote in 1867:



`The Christian population of this Pashalic is composed of four different races who all profess the Greek Orthodox faith;... the Bulgarians, the Wallachs, the Albanians, and the Greeks'.12



The following censuses does not identified any seperate “Macedonian” language/ conscience/ ethnicity; only Greek, Bulgarian, Vlach, Turk, Albanian, Roma, Serb or Armenian:



-The League of Nations (forerunner to UN set up after WWI) never mentions any Macedonian race/ ethnicity.



-Journal “Le Temps” Paris 1905 (the total population they list is 2,782,000 inhabitants; no a seperate “macedonian” race)



-Prof. G. Wiegland - Die Nationalen Bestrebungen der Balkansvölker. Leipzig 1898 (Gave a total population of 2,275,000 inhabitants and no seperate “macedonian” race)



-1904 Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha for Thessaloniki, Monastiri, Scopje



-1906 Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha for the area of Macedonia.



-Official Turkish Statistic Ethnicity of Macedonia Philippopoli 1881



-Vassil Kantcheff - Macedonia Ethnicity and Statistic - 1900 - no seperate “macedonian” race



-Leon Dominian - The frontiers of Language and Nationality in Europe. Published for the American Geographical Society of New York 1917



-Richard von Mach - Der Machtbereich des bulgarischen Exarchats in der Türkei. Leipzig - Neuchatel, 1906



-Prinz Tcherkasky ethnographie 1877



-The treaties of San Stefano (1878), London (1913) , Versailles (1919), the Congress of Berlin (1878) and others; all of which dealt with the Macedonian question, made no reference even to small group declaring themselves as ‘ethnic’ no seperate “macedonian” race Macedonians, only Bulgarians, Serbs, Greeks, Muslims and other minorities.



- According to the 1899 edition of Encyclopedia Brittanica considering the respective Serb and Bulgarian for the Slavonic population: “Almost all independent authorities, however, agree that the bulk of the Slavonic population of Macedonia is Bulgarian”



-1903 London Times article outlining the Macedonian problem. The only ethnic groups mentioned are Albanians, Turks, Vlachs, Rumanians, Greeks, Servian and Bulgarian.



-"The city [Thessalonike] has many adronments bu the most important one and that which affords in the greatest distinction is its rhetorical force, a characteristic that is admired [there] more than in other cities. This city has such a special relationship with Hellenic speech and is so rich in this grace that on the one hand it is sufficient to secure its own happiness but in addition this city can also impart [this grace] to other cities, transplanting words like colonies founded by the rulers of ancient Athens. Consequently there is none, i think, of all the Hellenes in our empire who does not call this city his ancestor and the mother of his Muses, since by claiming such descent he appears respectable” ~ ‘Encomium of St Demetrios’ by fourteenth-century theologian Nicholas Kabasilas Chamaetos.





- "You will understand better if you hear this vision which was narrated parabolically by the Prophet, by calling ram the Persian king Darius, billy-goat the King of Greeks i mean Alexander the Macedonian, 4 horns his successors and last horn Antiochos“ ~ by John Chrysostom Archbishop of Constantinople (c.347– c.407) Book Of Daniel



- “Went round cutting off the long hair and beards of the Greeks, often with their swords, while some Greeks aped their shaven and crew-cut overlords by cutting their own hair and shaving their beards.” ~ Eusthathios of Constantinople & Archbishop of Thessaloniki. Witness to when a Norman army from Sicily in 1185 besieged, captured and pillaged the city of Thessaloniki



- "When you say that you have become a complete barbarian among the Bulgarians, you, my dearest, are saying what I dream /in my sleep/. Because just think how much I have drunk from the cup of vulgarity, being so far away from the countries of wisdom, and how much I have drunk from the lack of culture … Since we have been living for a long time in the land of the Bulgarians, vulgarity has become our close companion and fellow-inhabitant." ~ CXXVI, Theophylacti epistola XXI, ed. Meursio; cf. Letters of Theophylactus of Ohrid, a Greek archbishop, translated by metropolitan Symeon from Greek, Сб. БАН, кн. XXVII, Hist.-Philol. and Philos.-Polit. Branch, 15, 11th-12th c.



- "Because the clerics have paid twice as much as the laymen, both for the mills and for the strugi, as they are called in Bulgarian, which a Hellene would call brooklets, and which facilitate fishing, and for them too the clerics have been subjected to much greater payments than the others … Allegedly so as not to put my high rank to shame, he collected from me personally so much, that, for mills which have long since been destroyed, he asked the full price, while for those in good condition - twice as much as from the Bulgarians." ~ royal son-in-law, Bruiennius; ed. Finetti; cf. Letters 11th-12th c.



- "Immediately after the death of Emperor Ioannes the Bulgarians rose in revolt and four brothers were chosen to govern them: David, Moses, Aaron and Samuil, sons of one of the all-powerful comites of the Bulgarians and for this reason named Kometopouli…Of the four brothers, David was immediately killed by some Wallachian vagabonds between Castoria, Prespa and the so-called “Fair Oak Wood.” While besieging Seres, Moses was hit by a stone cast from the wall and died. Aaron was killed by his brother Samuil on July 14 in the place called Razmetanitsa, together with all his kin, because he was a sup­porter, so they say, of the Byzantines, or because he was trying to seize power for himself. Only his son Vladislav Ivan was saved by Samuil’s son Radomir Roman. Thus Samuil became the absolute ruler of all Bulgaria." ~ Byzantine historian Scylitzes 11th-12th c.

Answer 14

i have found them to be aggressive and too serious

Answer 15

Greece is very nice country. Greek people, hm, anyway, you can not generalize that things.



How "the beloved Greek people" behaved towards my people, please read bellow:



Partitions and Colonization



After the Balkan Wars (1912-1913), the First World War (1914-1918) and especially after the Peace Treaties of Lausanne (1923), which gave the Macedonian issue a central place, there began a great ethnic cleansing of Macedonians, who in 1912 had numbered 374,000, from the Aegean part of Macedonia. Disregarding the principle of respect for minority rights within existing states, the negotiations in Lausanne accepted the principle of an obligatory resettlement of Christians from Turkey (Greeks, Turkophones, etc.) and of Muslims from Greece (Turks, Macedonian Muslims, etc.). Under the convention for obligatory emigration, 350,000 Muslims were expelled from the Aegean part of Macedonia. 40,000 of these were Macedonian Muslims. In place of the Macedonians expelled to Bulgaria and Turkey (a total of 126,000) the Greek state resettled 618,000 persons of Greek and non-Greek origin in the Aegean part of Macedonia. This heterogeneous population, colonized in the Aegean part of Macedonia in the period between the two world wars, came from other parts of Greece, as well as from Asia Minor, the Black Sea region, the Caucasus, western Thrace, Bulgaria and other places. The large majority of the refugee Christian population was settled in villages throughout the Aegean part of Macedonia, thus creating what has become known as the village, or agricultural, colonization; and a smaller number were colonized in towns, creating the so-called urban colonization. 134 This large colonization effected by Greece resulted in a major change in the historical status of the Macedonian language. Once the language used by most, it was now afforded only the status of the language of a minority, or the status of a family language, which was spoken by 240,000 Macedonians. The large ethnic changes were the cause of changes in the status of the Greek language as well. From being the language of a minority, it now became the most used language, being imposed even on the Armenians, the "Turkophones", the in-comers from among the various Caucasian peoples, etc. With the imposition of the Greek language and with the help of mixed marriages, a new Greek nation was being created in the Aegean part of Macedonia. The colonization by this population, whom the Macedonians called madziri (in-comers, foreigners), resulted in the Aegean part of Macedonia losing its Macedonian ethnic character. The Macedonians (240,000) became a minority; they were present as a majority only in the western part of the Aegean part of Macedonia (Kostur, Lerin and Voden regions). The large colonization brought about by the Greeks was followed by a law passed by the Greek government in 1926 on the change of the toponymy of the Aegean part of Macedonia. All villages, towns, rivers and mountains were renamed and given Greek names. The Greek state achieved this through a policy of state terror. As early as the period of the Balkan War of 1913 Greece had begun the ethnic genocide of the Macedonian people. The cruelty displayed by the Greek soldiers in their dealings towards the Macedonian people was merciless. Following the political partition of Macedonia in 1913, Greece launched upon an active policy of the denial of the nationality and the assimilation of the Macedonians. The name Macedonian and the Macedonian language were prohibited and the Macedonians were referred to as Bulgarians, Slavophone Greeks or simply "endopes" (natives). At the same time, all the Macedonians were forced to change their names and surnames, the latter having to end in -is, -os or -poulos. With the denial of the Macedonian nation went the non-recognition of the Macedonian language. It was prohibited, its standing was minimized and it was considered a barbarian language, unworthy of a cultured and civilized citizen. Its use in personal communication, between parents and children, among villagers, at weddings and funerals, was strictly forbidden. Defiance of this ban produced Draconian measures, ranging from moral and mental maltreatment to a "language tax" on each Macedonian word that was uttered. The written use of Macedonian was also strictly prohibited, and Macedonian literacy was being eliminated from the churches, monuments and tombstones. All the churches were given Greek names. The attacks on the Macedonian language culminated at the time of Ioannis Metaxas (1936). General Metaxas banned the use of Macedonian not only in everyday life in the villages, in the market-place, in ordinary and natural human communications and at funerals, but also within the family circle. Adult Macedonians, regardless of their age, were forced to attend what were known as evening schools and to learn "the melodious Greek language". The violation of the ban on the use of the Macedonian language in the villages, market-places or the closed circle of the family caused great numbers of Macedonians to be convicted and deported to desolate Greek islands.

Answer 16

nah i think their noses are to biglol

jk